P90X

p90x is good but it is very hard work
the results speak for themselves though
maybe 10 minute trainer is more your speed

^ Are you saying I don't push myself in the gym or something ?

p90x? Dont know much about that.

I just do whatever tickles my fancy at the gym because I enjoy it I dont care too much about how the results look. Only thing I take seriously is leg workouts.

You should check it out Edin, you can get awesome results and you dont even have to leave your own home!

Looks good but very nutrition orientated.

Also dont think I could do that and play football or bball 3/4 times a week though.

Surely drinking sc/rews over the affects of it?

Of course, my alcohol tolerance is pretty poor now but Im in much better shape.

Its nutrition orientated because people use it to get fit quickly. I am more realistic and know its a long term thing so I have the odd off day but Im still getting the results.

So its more fitness related? I wont do that then, I am fit enough just not strong enough. I would never in my life go to the gym/ for a run to get fit. Thats what playing bball/football 4 times a week is for.

It covers everything Edin, it alternates resistence workouts with more cardio.

The upperbody stuff is very intense and you can build serious muscle doing it.

^My reservation about these though is it's extremely difficult (some say impossible) to put mass on and lose fat at the same time (as 1 requires a caloric excess and another requires a deficit).

Yet people in the "transformations" appear to do it in 60 days

90 days.

Also they even tell you in the booklet to choose between losing weight or gaining muscle, not both.

Or course if you are working out 6 days a week you will get some lean muscle but its more about watching your diet and dropping fat.

Or you are eating more calories to gain muscle.